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16:30 Great to hear Cathrine Dyer touching on the reality of energy storage for intermittent renewables in the 'dry year problem'. I think you really need to get a technical person from the energy sector on your pod to explain the situation for New Zealand. Claiming that solar and battery are the answer is bulletproof conceptually but it's not that straightforward. To throw that in there to a non technical audience and without analysis to back it up as you did this week was a bit irresponsible and out of character I feel.

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I think I hear/ detect Dyer pushing back on silver bullets?

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Dyer had more oportunity to finish her sentences on Weekly Climate Wrap.

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I didn't catch anything on batteries for intermittent renewables in the climate wrap but yeah it was a good listen. Good to hear the beginnings of acknowledgement that our typical house designs tend to overheat with the new insulation standards

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Thanks Mark. Who would you suggest as an expert who could talk publicly on the issue of batteries and intermittency?

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Hi Bernard, I reckon a great person to start with would be Dr Susan Krumdieck (MNZM), ex thermodynamics professor from UC mechanical engineering, currently based in Scotland. She is media friendly (numerous interviews RNZ), has spent decades focused on the energy transition, and is very much solutions focused.

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Fantastic. Thanks Mark.

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