Govt eyes 'move on' law to shift homeless out of city centres after building two (not a typo) more Housing First places; Watts throws climate policies on the bonfire the night before Guy Fawkes
So Christopher wants to expand from performative politics to a performative society. He literally said “Visitors coming into Auckland, you know, we need to make sure it’s a good presentation”. Which very simply means the focus is not fixing anything, it’s just making it all look good for people from the outside
What a shit-sandwich this band of vandals has created in less than 3 years. I can understand why people are leaving in droves - where is the hope? NZ's economic future just seems so bleak, where is the leadership and vision? The sight of the homeless should spur policy to build more social housing and better services; but no - we treat those people as an inconvenient stain to be removed. I thought Luxon was a Christian - appalling. We continue to prioritise the economy for the already wealthy, be damned everyone else.
Where are they moving people on to? Will those of us living in the burbs have people sleeping on our front lawn? Will people living in their cars be trying to move to suburbs that have houses with no garages and where the public are already fist fighting over where they park their cars on the streets?
What the hell is wrong with this Government?
We must make a process to allow the people of NZ to vote no confidence in the government and have a snap election an election issue - bugger this idea of 4 years.
I'd like to see more nuance when talking about the "homeless", so that we can agree a set of responses that together can make a difference:
1. Some people have homes to sleep in, some people don't - so get those people homes. Everyone needs a safe place to fall asleep and wake refreshed.
2. Some people with homes don't know what to do with their day, they don't want to stay home alone, they need interaction - provide places for people to go during the day, safe, comfortable places (not fancy) where they can be with other people, have human interactions and maybe even avail themselves of help they need (medical, food, talk therapy, the need to be of service, even a chance to earn income, use and develop skills).
3. Some people need extraordinary measures to help them function in society - help them with their mental and physical health issues so they can feel a part of their community and not be a burden or shunned. These people might need bespoke housing solutions and some structured daytime activities with more intense medical oversight.
I wish we didn't lump anyone that we see on the street in the same category. It prevents us from doing a lot of important things that can, together, help individuals regain a healthy place in society.
Maybe start with not humiliating people who for whatever reason have to sleep rough in the CBD. Luxon’s response is totally on brand and toxic as usual. Punch down, spin bullshit, and repeat. He is only worried that homelessness lets the mask slip on his failed government as it reveals the genuine poverty and inequality rampant across this supposedly first world country full of amazing opportunities. Eh, reality bites hard. Queue ironic laughter.
Rough sleeping is humiliating. If you are using this issue to take shots at a politician, well I can't agree that this will get us a solution, however good it might feel in the moment.
Fight for funding KO, the CHPs, and the Health system. Support churches and other organizations to open their doors during the day with healthy activities and opportunities. Fight for more services for mental health and addiction.
It is the politicians - of this government in particular - that has allowed homelessness to worsen Ingrid. They are also the ones with the financial muscle and bandwidth to really help. They choose otherwise. I’m not taking a shot at politicians per se, I’m illuminating the facts. This government elected to run with a strategy that has failed homeless people. Result: more rough sleepers in the CBD.
✔️💯 Totally agree... We need an "all of society" solution to all you highlight, but it has to led from the top ie the govt of the day. They can provide the conditions for solutions through funding of genuine community initiatives, policies to HELP not make things worse as is currently the case (causing higher unemployment, underfunding mental health & health generally, demonising people needing $$ support via benefits & making life harder by draconian measures etc etc), and not being total 💩🤡's when ignoring the humanity of people who are not "wealthy & sorted".
How a nation treats its most vulnerable speaks volumes about the character of that nation. Luxon has, and is, disgracing himself along with a nation of New Zealanders he has failed to nurture, protect, and lead. He has succeeded in becoming compliant, corrupted, and captured.
Maybe the empty houses investors hold for capital gains or development gains could be opened up for housing the homeless, some of those in the suburbs where the members of parliament have their multiple investment properties could be a good place to start
This is exactly what Housing First funding allows - a Housing First organization takes a lease on a private property and houses someone with a history of rough sleeping, providing them the support they need to meet their obligations as a tenant. If you know anyone with an empty property, have them get in touch with their local Housing First provider.
Outlaw homelessness? What like magic? Suddenly everyone has a home? Yay!
Oh hang on, that’s not what they’re saying at all. What they’re saying is that they don’t want to see the problem. Because if people can’t see the problem, OBVS it doesn’t exist (heavy sarcasm font if anyone missed it).
The police will send on the homeless... onto the Burbs as Annie mentioned. To be more specific, most likely South Auckland.
Those homeless, will get even more desperate, this will lead to more crime, more crime committed by homeless people moving to places like South Auckland.
These crimes WILL BE REPORTED by MSM, this will affect public perception and reinforce prejudice a lot of people already have about Sth Auckland.
As a result, this will give Police & Government the "green light" to "crack down on crime".
Making Sth Auckland the most policed region of the country. It will be a self perpetuating system, the more you police an area, the more crimes you find, the more crimes you find, the more you police that area.
heard luxon on RNZ being quoted as we need to clean up the cities. his language implies these people are rubbish, not people. it is his government that has directly contributed to homelessness and rough sleeping. moving them on is NOT a solution.
There are no productive littoral gold-claims left to which the destitute might be moved to to eke out a precarious living or die in the cold mountainous winter. Neither are there any rough ten-acre blocks to clear that might be run as orchards or market-gardens, driving many to suicide when they fail in futile endeavour.
Doesn't Luxon know that visible destitution is an important part of the incentives mechanism of Capitalism- his preferred system? He should be proud to show off the nation's rough-sleepers to foreign visitors. They are an indication to all true believers that he understands the role of market forces in the efficient allocation of labour.
I only catching up now with old podcasts, Bernard we are now a third world country thanks to a greedy, uncaring government. Sadly it seems the greedies have taken over just the same as America. Treat the poor as scum & destroy the environment further. Even our media has been hi-jacked. Of course having a National government happy to be do what ACT / NZ first bids is not helping.
So Christopher wants to expand from performative politics to a performative society. He literally said “Visitors coming into Auckland, you know, we need to make sure it’s a good presentation”. Which very simply means the focus is not fixing anything, it’s just making it all look good for people from the outside
Luxon is nothing but performative. Problem is…his performance is terrible.
Agree, Luxon is focussed on papering over the cracks, not fixing them. It’s shallow and dishonest, like himself.
What a shit-sandwich this band of vandals has created in less than 3 years. I can understand why people are leaving in droves - where is the hope? NZ's economic future just seems so bleak, where is the leadership and vision? The sight of the homeless should spur policy to build more social housing and better services; but no - we treat those people as an inconvenient stain to be removed. I thought Luxon was a Christian - appalling. We continue to prioritise the economy for the already wealthy, be damned everyone else.
With extra Marmite….
Luxon is the definition of the 'Hollow Men'.
Perhaps communities that have prioritised "character" over intensification will welcome these folk.
Where are they moving people on to? Will those of us living in the burbs have people sleeping on our front lawn? Will people living in their cars be trying to move to suburbs that have houses with no garages and where the public are already fist fighting over where they park their cars on the streets?
What the hell is wrong with this Government?
We must make a process to allow the people of NZ to vote no confidence in the government and have a snap election an election issue - bugger this idea of 4 years.
What’s wrong with this government? EVERYTHING.
Lots of car-dwellers around the North end of Wellington's Miramar Peninsula. No fancy houses there for residents to pressure police to move them on.
I'd like to see more nuance when talking about the "homeless", so that we can agree a set of responses that together can make a difference:
1. Some people have homes to sleep in, some people don't - so get those people homes. Everyone needs a safe place to fall asleep and wake refreshed.
2. Some people with homes don't know what to do with their day, they don't want to stay home alone, they need interaction - provide places for people to go during the day, safe, comfortable places (not fancy) where they can be with other people, have human interactions and maybe even avail themselves of help they need (medical, food, talk therapy, the need to be of service, even a chance to earn income, use and develop skills).
3. Some people need extraordinary measures to help them function in society - help them with their mental and physical health issues so they can feel a part of their community and not be a burden or shunned. These people might need bespoke housing solutions and some structured daytime activities with more intense medical oversight.
I wish we didn't lump anyone that we see on the street in the same category. It prevents us from doing a lot of important things that can, together, help individuals regain a healthy place in society.
Maybe start with not humiliating people who for whatever reason have to sleep rough in the CBD. Luxon’s response is totally on brand and toxic as usual. Punch down, spin bullshit, and repeat. He is only worried that homelessness lets the mask slip on his failed government as it reveals the genuine poverty and inequality rampant across this supposedly first world country full of amazing opportunities. Eh, reality bites hard. Queue ironic laughter.
Rough sleeping is humiliating. If you are using this issue to take shots at a politician, well I can't agree that this will get us a solution, however good it might feel in the moment.
Fight for funding KO, the CHPs, and the Health system. Support churches and other organizations to open their doors during the day with healthy activities and opportunities. Fight for more services for mental health and addiction.
It is the politicians - of this government in particular - that has allowed homelessness to worsen Ingrid. They are also the ones with the financial muscle and bandwidth to really help. They choose otherwise. I’m not taking a shot at politicians per se, I’m illuminating the facts. This government elected to run with a strategy that has failed homeless people. Result: more rough sleepers in the CBD.
This Govt kicked them out of motels without a place for them to go to! What did they expect?
And whilst Luxon says the right structures have to be in place, what does that mean? Do we trust him? No.
And isn’t it a bit late now?
I may be naive but I keep asking the same question. Why do right-wing politicians hate so many of us?
I appears that unless you are ‘rich and sorted’, a landlord or a big business, you are beneath these politicians and of no consequence.
Luxon believes he is a ceo. He has no empathy or respect for people who are not like him. Willis is no better.
The wishy-washy Labour policy on tax leaves me wondering if any political party will grow the gonads to effectively address inequality.
Depressing or what?
Depressing, but it’s also catalytic Tony.
Luxon and his government are vacuous, morally bankrupt, and values free. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/577835/government-pays-20m-less-in-emergency-housing-support
✔️💯 Totally agree... We need an "all of society" solution to all you highlight, but it has to led from the top ie the govt of the day. They can provide the conditions for solutions through funding of genuine community initiatives, policies to HELP not make things worse as is currently the case (causing higher unemployment, underfunding mental health & health generally, demonising people needing $$ support via benefits & making life harder by draconian measures etc etc), and not being total 💩🤡's when ignoring the humanity of people who are not "wealthy & sorted".
I would support moving on legislation if it meant this disgusting government was ordered to move on, and keep moving on and on and on.
Happy to second that Andrew.
How a nation treats its most vulnerable speaks volumes about the character of that nation. Luxon has, and is, disgracing himself along with a nation of New Zealanders he has failed to nurture, protect, and lead. He has succeeded in becoming compliant, corrupted, and captured.
I hear the pain in your voice, Bernard.
Maybe the empty houses investors hold for capital gains or development gains could be opened up for housing the homeless, some of those in the suburbs where the members of parliament have their multiple investment properties could be a good place to start
This is exactly what Housing First funding allows - a Housing First organization takes a lease on a private property and houses someone with a history of rough sleeping, providing them the support they need to meet their obligations as a tenant. If you know anyone with an empty property, have them get in touch with their local Housing First provider.
Outlaw homelessness? What like magic? Suddenly everyone has a home? Yay!
Oh hang on, that’s not what they’re saying at all. What they’re saying is that they don’t want to see the problem. Because if people can’t see the problem, OBVS it doesn’t exist (heavy sarcasm font if anyone missed it).
HI Bernard,
Tin foil hat time!
The police will send on the homeless... onto the Burbs as Annie mentioned. To be more specific, most likely South Auckland.
Those homeless, will get even more desperate, this will lead to more crime, more crime committed by homeless people moving to places like South Auckland.
These crimes WILL BE REPORTED by MSM, this will affect public perception and reinforce prejudice a lot of people already have about Sth Auckland.
As a result, this will give Police & Government the "green light" to "crack down on crime".
Making Sth Auckland the most policed region of the country. It will be a self perpetuating system, the more you police an area, the more crimes you find, the more crimes you find, the more you police that area.
Remove tin foil hat!
heard luxon on RNZ being quoted as we need to clean up the cities. his language implies these people are rubbish, not people. it is his government that has directly contributed to homelessness and rough sleeping. moving them on is NOT a solution.
There are no productive littoral gold-claims left to which the destitute might be moved to to eke out a precarious living or die in the cold mountainous winter. Neither are there any rough ten-acre blocks to clear that might be run as orchards or market-gardens, driving many to suicide when they fail in futile endeavour.
Doesn't Luxon know that visible destitution is an important part of the incentives mechanism of Capitalism- his preferred system? He should be proud to show off the nation's rough-sleepers to foreign visitors. They are an indication to all true believers that he understands the role of market forces in the efficient allocation of labour.
I only catching up now with old podcasts, Bernard we are now a third world country thanks to a greedy, uncaring government. Sadly it seems the greedies have taken over just the same as America. Treat the poor as scum & destroy the environment further. Even our media has been hi-jacked. Of course having a National government happy to be do what ACT / NZ first bids is not helping.